THIS WHOLE MESSAGE IS TO A/THE ATHEIST. BUT IF YOUR NOT AN ATHEIST, YOU CAN READ IT TOO. BUT REMEMBER, THIS WHOLE MESSAGE IS TO A/THE ATHEIST. (were going to be talking about TOTAL ATHEISM, NATURALISM & MATERIALISM VS TOTAL THEISM/ THE THEISTIC GOD. there are many religions that are deistic or pantheistic but they dont make any sense either & are evil, wich this message points out)
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consider these quotes BEFORE, DURING & AFTER you've read all of this message:
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
-- Thomas Jefferson
“One who claims to be a skeptic of one set of beliefs is actually a true believer in another set of beliefs."
—PHILLIP E. JOHNSON
"To give truth to him who loves it not is to only give him more multiplied reasons for misinterpretation."
-- George McDonald
"A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses. It is an idea that possesses the mind."- Robert Oxton Bolton
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I, or the others crazy?"- Albert Einstein
"Take all The Bible that you can by reason and the rest by faith, and you will live and die a better man."- Abraham Lincoln
"In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."- Abraham Lincoln
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."- Plato
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness but of power. They are messengers of overwhelming grief and of unspeakable love."- Washington Irving
In all of us lives a dark side. Some of us embrace it. The rest of us fight it. And in the end, it's as natural as the air we breathe. Some point, we're forced to face the truth...about ourselves.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."- Galileo Galilei
"slavery to ones self is the costliest of all servitude"
"Love, Righteousness, Truth, Integrity & Light; What is The World, & Everyone in It, but the opposite of these"
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
-- The Declaration of Idependence of The United States of America.
(the all caps text that you will see isnt shouting, just passionate emphasis. so as not to be confused or interpreted as shouting. altho shouting would be warranted if you see, understand & feel what i see, understand & feel. imagine how God feels after you've read this.)
NOTE: this is in no way meant as intimidation, hatred
(hatred of atheism/evolution/naturalism/materialism, yes. we hate that & FOR GOOD REASON, BUT WE, ESPECIALLY God, DOESN'T HATE THE ATHEIST/NATURALIST/MATERIALIST/EVOLUTIONIST OR YOU (IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST/ NATURALIST/ MATERIALIST/ EVOLUTIONIST)
THIS IS MEANT as a piece of text, to be read & considered by people who actually & really care about truth, love, righteousness & integrity of itself & in general. some of it may seem hostile, but it is NOT mainly aimed towards the atheist, but towards ATHEISM & ALL ITS SUB CATEGORIES OR RAMIFICATIONS. but some hostility, if but just a little, is justified towards you, IF! the your an atheist BECAUSE YOU ENJOY THE RAMIFICATIONS OF ATHEISM & ATHEISM ITSELF (which are very bad) (as far as wanting to rebel against THE 1 TRUE LIVING HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, PERFECT & LOVING God just to be evil....
HUMANIST or humanism means, at least in the context that i'm using it, WHICH IS DEFINITION NUMBER 1. :
hu·man·ism
1. belief in human-based morality: a system of thought that is based on the values, characteristics, and behavior that are believed to be best in human beings, rather than on any supernatural authority
2. concern for people: a concern with the needs, well-being, and interests of people
3. Hu·man·ismRenaissance cultural movement: the secular cultural and intellectual movement of the Renaissance that spread throughout Europe as a result of the rediscovery of the arts and philosophy of the ancient Greeks and Romans
-hu·man·ist [hymənist], , n adj
-hu·man·ist·ic [hymə nístik], , adj
-hu·man·is·ti·cal·ly [hymə nístikəlee], , adv
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
In other words, when you are a humanist, TO ITS FULL FRUITION (COMPLETENESS), YOU (TRY TO) become God yourself (ALL UNTO ITSELF & SIMPLY TO SEEM WORTHY OF IT? THINK ABOUT IT, YOU, NOT ANY God, LET ALONE THE REAL God, DEFINES EVERYTHING & EVERYONE. TRUTH, SANITY, MORALITY, SCIENCE, HISTORY, IT GOES ON & ON ETC..). TO THEREFORE, pursue your own lusts, whatever they may be SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WANT 2).
Proverbs 12:15
The way of a fool [is] right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel [is] wise.
Proverbs 16:2
All the ways of a man [are] clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. -Psalm 14:1
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.
atheism is an epitome on evil, &, if you stand FOR IT, EVEN AFTER READING THIS & KNOWING WHAT IT ENTAILS, then you are evil. plain & simple. after reading this, if your still an atheist, i reccomend you contemplate (think about & consider deeply with THE UTTERMOST & PASSIONATE sincerity) yourself & especially your beliefs, life & lifestyle.
ps: i hate atheism. (& i know God does 2, WHICH CAN BE PROVEN: )
for good reason of course, which are provided here. so if you see how much i hate it, thats a good thing & MY ZEAL, AGAINST IT & FOR God SHOWING. God intends that & so do i. & just because HE & i hate atheism, that doesn't mean that HE or i hate you , ESPECIALLY God! God doesnt hate you. HE just hates the holds on wickedness that are on you, keeping you from Him & HE wants to get rid of those for you, & bless you &get close to you to SHOW YOU PERSONALLY,THROUGH JESUS CHRIST HIS love FOR YOU, like HE ALWAYS HAS INTENDED.
ALSO, I (ESPECIALLY God) INTEND IN NO WAY, WHATSOEVER, TO DISTORT OR TAKE OUT OF CONTEXT ATHEISM & OR ALL OF ITS SUB CATEGORIES OR RAMIFICATIONS. FEELINGS COME & GO, BUT TRUTH! IS FOR EVER. I AM AFTER TRUTH, NO MATTER WHERE IT LEADS.
I'M ALSO SICK & TIRED OF GOD BEING LIED ABOUT, MISSUNDERSTOOD, TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT, JUDGED & HATED FOR NO REASON AT ALL. + people never speak of THE GOOD THINGS GOD HAS DONE OR IS DOING (altho, that is not to say HE EVER DONE ANY BAD THING WHATSOEVER, EVER!)
pss: if i seem sarcastic, i probably am. i'm sorry, but after reading this YOU SHOULD SEE WHY!
yes....atheism is that bad.... *compassionately serious face*
LET'S BEGIN.
It seems to Us that your an atheist or an agnostic (which agnosticism is atheism). different name, same basic output (ultimately): in the end, doesn't believe that there is a God. & THEREFORE DOES NOT ABIDE BY OR (even can) ACCEPT HIS LAWS & RULES THAT ATTACH TO HIM & FROM HIM (VERY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT) IN ALL ASPECTS OF REALITY & THEREFORE MUST REJECT HIM IN HIS ENTIRETY TO MAINTAIN TRUE, FACTUAL, LOGICALLY VALID COHERENCE, NON-CONTRADICTION, NON-SELF-DEFEATING & ILLOGICAL FALLACIES IN HIS BELIEFS LAWS & RULES TOWARDS & FROM REALITY.)
aka: God doesn't exist so you can't use God & parts of Him to use against Him. cuz' that's just saying right there that atheism is wrong & HE EXISTS
your probably going say:
"see, now your confusing atheism with agnosticism(or vise versa), you cant or shouldn't do that"
well agnosticism IS ATHEISM. just with a different outlook of THE PERSON! NOT, THE BELIEF. an atheist is just a person who doesn't believe in God or that HE EXISTS. the atheist says "there is no God" the agnostic says "God might exist, i don't know" but if you look really close....you would see that both the atheist & agnostic.....don't believe in God/ that HE exists......so, this message applies to them both regardless wether they want it to or not. what agnostic believes in God? there is none. never can be or will. for to believe in God would be the exact OPPOSITE of agnosticism, while to NOT BELIEVE IN God, WHICH IS ATHEISM, IS A REQUIREMENT OF AGNOSTICISM ITSELF! agnostics say they do not know
which they do, we all do:
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: -Romans 1:20
therefore, they do not believe, therefore, they are atheists in their entirety! therefore, they HAVE TO go by atheism's laws & rules BY ABSOLUTE DEFAULT. for what else is there for them to go by BESIDES ATHEISM'S laws & rules? there is nothing BUT THAT...except God...... which they can't use unless they say HE exists 1st....
let's explain to you your beliefs & EVEN MORE TO BE NOTED, ARE ITS RAMIFICATIONS/RESULTS! a bit more clearly. when you reject the existence of God, what are you accepting & AFFIRMING in HIS place?
your probably going say:
"wait, your wrong, atheism is just a lack of belief in God, not all these assertions, assumptions & stuff"
actually, no. your wrong. (REMINDER:, for arguments sake, we're talking about TOTAL & COMPLETE, atheism/ naturalism/ materialism (no God(s), spiritual or supernatural AT ALL. because only those 2 make any actual sense)
when you make the claim that God DOES NOT exist, that means some beliefs are NOT TRUE/ unbelievable/ not possible/ not valid or logical
for example: Creation, Prophecy, The Soul(s) & The Heart(s) therein, Miracles, Heaven & hell, etc...
there are things that CAN'T exist UNLESS GOD made them or they exist by God existing:
Ps 103:17
But the mercy of the LORD [is] from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
God is from everlasting to everlasting. HE'S ALWAYS been.
this also means that, If God (THE all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, spiritual, intelligent, all knowing, personal, moral, creator person that is God) DID NOT make everything & us, then that means that BY NATURAL DEFAULT (OPPOSITE) made everything & us.! which is non-all powerful, finite, natural, non intelligent, valueless, meaningless, purposeless, a & non personal, a & non moral, laws of physics (which all of this is naturalism & materialism)
here is exactly what you are accepting & AFFIRMING in HIS place. it's either this, or you are a major hypocrite & un-fruitioned (un-fruitioned means incomplete) believer of "yourself" & ATHEISM / NATURALISM / MATERIALISM. 1st off: let's see what in the end, atheism/agnosticism REALLY is & or leads you 2 believe in. trust Us, this is relevant to your whole entire argument(s), ?(s), message(s),etc... also, this message will give logically valid, coherent, REASONABLE & TRUE argumentation for why YOU! need THE all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, spiritual, intelligent, personal, moral, creator person who is God for your arguments to even be valid on blueprint, let alone in & upon actual application. terminology is NOT the aim of this, the goal is to:
1: point out the major & critical flaws of atheism / naturalism / materialism / agnosticism / & of your beliefs, personal or not, & in particular, argumentation from atheists, agnostics, naturalists, materialists, any belief system that DOES NOT include the existence with THE all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, spiritual, intelligent, all knowing, personal, moral, creator person that is God, within itself.
2: giving credible, validly coherent, objective critical & evidential argumentation for not just for the existence of the supernatural & even the spiritual, but, in particular, GIVING EVIDENCE FOR THE ALL POWERFUL, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, spiritual, intelligent, all knowing, personal, PERFECT, HOLY & RIGHTEOUS moral, creator person that is God that made & designed all the universe, all life & every human being/ man & woman/ person/ people; why we, you, me, all of us NEED HIM & DEEP DOWN WANT HIM IN OUR LIVES & IN OURSELVES.
think of your beliefs as absolute, real & true
(objectify them & think critically in all aspects of them. aka think it through bef'o ya act or actually start believeing in it or using it. 'k dude?)
& think of the ramifications which means results or end product(s) of your belief(s). written here is most of the ramifications / results of atheism / naturalism / materialism / agnosticism / & or your beliefs
#1: atheism/agnosticism is & CAN BE NOTHING BUT NATURALISM & MATERIALISM.
IF YOU ARE A ATHEIST OR AN AGNOSTIC, which are 1 & the same, YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY A NATURALIST & MATERIALIST) ATHEISM NATURALISM & MATERIALISM ARE INTERTWINED FOR THEY BOTH DENY God & REQUIRE EACH OTHER WITHOUT ANY DENIABILITY. if NATURALISM IS REQUIRED & TRUE, THEN MATERIALISM HAS TO BE REQUIRED & IS TRUE 2 AS WELL & vise versa. atheism is the 1st step & the key, NATURALISM & MATERIALISM is the last step & the door. THEY ARE BOTH NEEDED. you can't have 1 OR ANY without the other(s). they are, in many if not in most ways, the same. they have some of the same properties. there are 2 belief platforms on which any1 can stand in their lives. atheism/naturalism/materialism & it's laws & rules? or THEISM/God & HIS laws & rules? those are the 2. but most atheist's/naturalist's/materialist's (some theist's also tend to do this), including you, mix, combine & or steal the laws & rules of the OPPOSITE belief platform & put it onto THEIR OWN belief platform exactly like a theif. which is lying, contradiction, heresy & HUGE hypocrisy. because how can you or any1 mix, combine & or steal anything that's on the OTHER, OPPOSITE, belief platform & then put it on their or your own belief platform IF ITS ISN'T TRUE OR IS CONSIDERED FALSE? you would be stealing laws & rules from the other belief platform, that you believe to be a lie, FALSE & DOESN'T EXIST! in other words, how can you or any1 steal from the opposite belief platform IN GENERAL &, in order to debunk THAT SAME belief platform? you can't steal what is not AVAILABLE TO YOU (or true) & what you believe to be a lie. let's move on.
what is NATURALISM & MATERIALISM?
NATURALISM: nat·you·ral·ism
nat·u·ral·ism
1. belief in religious truth from nature:
a belief that all religious truth is derived from nature and natural causes, and not from revelation
(revelation being God performs miracles & reveals Himself,etc...
2. doctrine rejecting spiritual explanations of world:
a system of thought that rejects all spiritual and supernatural explanations of the world and holds that science is the sole basis of what can be known
MATERIALISM: ma·te·ri·al·ism
ma·te·ri·al·ism
1. focus on possessions:
devotion to material wealth and possessions at the expense of spiritual or intellectual values
2. theory of physical:
the philosophical theory that physical matter is the only reality and that psychological states such as emotions, reason, thought, and desire can only be explained by physical functions
both definitions from: Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
in other words:
atheism, which leads to & is, naturalism & materialism, is a belief held by someone that God does not exist, & rejects all spiritual and supernatural explanations of any kind about anything at anytime including the origins of the world (the spiritual & supernatural does NOT exist) and holds that science is the sole basis of what is & can be known. & that physical matter is the only reality, and that psychological states & the products thereof such as emotions, reason, logic, truth, morals, thought, desire & ones actions can only be & be explained by the purely physical & physical functions (of the human body & such)
this is basically saying, there is & CAN BE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT FOR time + space + matter + physics + DNA + SHEER, DUMB LUCK or chance. that's it!
that is all an atheist or agnostic has to work with. no exceptions or excuses...period. that is all THERE IS & CAN BE in ATHEISM which is & leads to, NATURALISM & MATERIALISM! WHY? simple. there is NOTHING ELSE! THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE! (for then you would be venturing into God's domain, the domain that you have rejected & abondoned for its counter or alternate domain which is atheism) aren't WE right so far? if you consider ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM as being THE TRUE REALITY & truth of the world, you must accept this. if you don't, then your a self contradicting, un-fruitioned hypocrite & a liar to your own self, beliefs, belief platform & worldview. moving on. let US go over what ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM is & what you believe is & is NOT, WHEN YOU DO believe in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM. ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM leads & or amounts up to this. again, because there is NO OTHER WAY, ALTERNATIVES OR OPTIONS LEFT:
your probably gonna say:
you're stupid:
really? why? would'nt you have to know what's smart to say what's stupid? who or what standard are you going by? is that standard absolute & universal, or just subjective personal dogma, opinion & or preference?
you're crazy:
really? why? would'nt you have to know what's sane to say what's crazy? who or what standard are you going by? is that standard absolute & universal, or just subjective personal dogma, opinion & or preference?
that's just wrong:
really? why? what part of this is wrong? point it out please. & would'nt you have to know what's right to say what's wrong? who or what standard are you going by? is that standard absolute & universal, or just subjective personal dogma, opinion & or preference?
moving on.
once upon a time, many many MANY millions & billions of years ago, there was an explosion that came from ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER that made ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING WHATSOEVER.
it's either that or there was a dot that was hot, spinning & infinitely dense & it exploded & everything that exists came from that dot. it's funny though. most atheists ask where did God come from?... but i have a question for them... where did that hot, spinning & infinitely dense dot come from? there is only 3 ways we got here & infinity is absolute, no matter what.
1: THE Infinite God made the universe (+life)(matter, time, space, physics, etc...)
2: the infinite nothing made the universe (matter, time, space, physics, etc...)
3: the universe is infinite / has always existed (matter, time, space, physics, etc...)
problem with the universe is eternal is we know that matter is basically energy & energy isn't infinite:
http://www.vimeo.com/1904911
I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?h382mbr0tx83kln
so the universe couldn't be infinite either. had to come from somewhere since it isn't infinite. & if some believe the universe is infinite, why can they have an eternal universe, but We cant have an eternal God? you still have the same problem of where the universe came from! it doesn't solve the question(S), its just multiplies & magnify's the need for a valid REASONABLE, LOGICAL & TRUTHFUL answer.
problem with the eternal nothing making the universe is in its own description. nothing, quite literally....is & means.....absolutely, nothing. no thing. at all. no time, no matter, no space, no physics/laws/ or "NATURAL" (natural being nature). there is quite literally...no thing at all. how could no thing make everything? it cant, couldn't & didn't. WE mean think about it. how could anything happen? there would be no matter to have it to happen to, no where/space to put it & no when/time to put it. & there is no physics/laws/natural/nature that would constitute an action or even reaction. no thing, time, place, laws or natural/nature. there is no "nature" or "natural". so you cant say that the universe came from nature or the NATURAL because the "natural", or nature didn't exist UNTIL the universe was created. basically the chicken & the egg problem. which 1 came 1st? without a beginner, you can have no beginning so the universe couldn't have come from nothing. how logical & reasonable is that? hahaha. & if some believe the infinite nothing made the universe, why can they have an infinite & eternal nothing that made the universe, but We cant have an INFINITE & ETERNAL God?
now all that's left is God made the universe. makes sense. considering HE is A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, spiritual, all intelligent, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, perfect, moral person also known as God. who is beyond ALL matter, time, space, physics, & even nothingness. HE is actually the only 1 who makes any sense. period. 1: HE is a beginner. HE HIMSELF didnt come from somewhere or was created/ just came into existence. i mean, you look at the universe, the planet & us & you will see literal, MIRACULOUS, severe complexity & delicacy that to call it anything BUT DESIGN, WOULD BE A FARCE! & BLASPHEMIC HERESIE! there is no way, it came from nothing or a chaotic, destructive, & unguided explosion. there is no logical & or reasonable way you could possibly think, that THAT chaotic, messy, naturalistic, materialistic, dumb, purposeless, mindless, destructive, un-lucky (or even if it was) & unguided explosion could make, what is literally, nothing short of MIRACULOUS severe complexity, delicacy & design, come into existence. everything that was made by God bares HIS SIGNATURE. just like a painting. HE is the artist WHO HAS SIGNED WITH HIS DIVINE HANDS, HIS CREATION.
"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." -Romans 1:19
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" -Romans 1:20
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." -Romans 1:21
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," -Romans 1:22
The Bible is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
moving on. next, basically speaking, for many MANY millions & billions of years, all of planet earth was hot. next, 4.6 billion years ago, it rained on rocks for millions & billions of years, the oceans turned the rocks into a prebiotic soup within which there went ...POOF. the 1st living thing/cell/bacteria/whatever you say it was, EVER....from rocks. ( We're not lying, this is what they teach in the textbooks) next, over millions & billions of years the cell "EVOLVED" eventually into a some kind of fish, the fish into another fish, eventually over millions & billions of years life crawled out of the sea, which turned into amphibians which evolved into something else which evolved into the reptiles/DINOSAURS, then into land mammals (& birds), eventually from which evolved a monkey or ape (or "however it happened/goes" or "went" ) which evolved into you! remember the acronym: F.A.R.M.
Fish -> Amphibians -> Reptiles -> Mammals
that's how they say the order of the evolutionary process happened.
altho TECHNICALLY they should use the acronym's: B.F.A.R.M. & or C.F.A.R.M. which spell out:
B.F.A.R.M.
Bacteria -> Fish -> Amphibians -> Reptiles -> Mammals
C.F.A.R.M
Cell -> Fish -> Amphibians -> Reptiles -> Mammals
& it doesn't matter wether you believe in evolution or not because evolution really is the only way OTHER than God. either natural, material & chance made us, or supernatural, intelligent allmighty God did. either were accidental, or purposeful. there is only 2 options.
if we didn't get here by THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, spiritual, all intelligent, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person also known as God...
then we got here by the non all powerful, finite, natural, non intelligent, valueless, meaningless, purposeless, a & non personal, a & non moral & laws of physics (wich is naturalism, materialism, dna & matter)
what about aliens? couldn't they have made us?
who made them? all life requires intelligence to make it, then simply back track that to the big bang or infinity & the ? then becomes who or what was the 1st life? there had to be a BEGINNER or we couldn't & wouldn't be here. (same with the universe)
& where did the knowledge come from? how can any being make something it doesn't know how to make? it cant. you can't make the space shuttle, or life, which is FAR more complex than the little space shuttle in (comparison)
& takes way more knowledge, without knowing how.
+ wouldn't they have to be beyond matter, space, time & physics?
& not to mention the ability & power to literally construct life on the molecular & genetic level.
+ the laws of physics has to be perfect in the universe for life to exist in the 1st place (which they didnt make (the universe) so they would have to know the laws of it & how things work to actually make life)
& what planet its on
& its laws (physics like size, gravity, rotation, temperature, chemicals composition & makeup (ie: water, air, oxygen, nitorgen,etc..)
& where it's at (to find it, get there, & knowledge & abbilitie to do so)
& life has to be designed to have all the materials (food, the right environment, water, stuff like that) wherever it's at for its survival.
& not to mention the chemicals of life (dna, proteins,etc...) & or matter/the elements has to be able to be PUT together
& STAY together
& react correctly to other stuff in the life form's internal & external structure & the environment + its food source
&, we were incredibly, a miracle (God), were put together, at the genetic level to require what we just so happened to have in our environment
& only require that! isn't that weird. for example, life needs water.
& it just so happens that we have water here. it's that cenario. it's in the dna to need & use it, &, what do you know, here it all is....
& if at the genetic level, the dna said we need something that isn't here, like sum element that we don't have here on earth, then life wouldn't & couldn't be here. you have a chicken & the egg problem, so u need the life itself to MAKE OTHER life, the knowledge, power to assemble life, the necessary or called for elements, the proper molecular, genetic, chemical & environmetal interaction & the molecules, chemicals & or elements themselves.
& not to mention we just so happen, a miracle again (God)..... to have the perfect solar system, planets, orbit, sun, moon & this planet for life to exist.
......miracle & design.....plain & simple.....
MORE ON THAT IN THE LINKS ON THE SOME MORE DETAILS PAGE OF THIS SITE. OR PAGE 2 AS IT WERE. ("SOME MORE DETAILS PAGE" & page 2 referring to the 2nd page of the howtogetsaved.yolasite.com website)
the next paragraph came from the book "i dont have enough faith to be an atheist"
(wich is available for download in pdf form, in this link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?xekig4ckfx301zn
i dont have enough faith to be an atheist:
Forget the Darwinist assertions (the assertions being evolution) about men descending from apes or
birds evolving from reptiles. The supreme problem for Darwinists is not
explaining how all life forms are related (although, as we’ll see in the
next chapter, that’s still a major problem). The supreme problem for
Darwinists is explaining the origin of the first life. For unguided, naturalistic
macroevolution to be true, the first life must have generated
spontaneously from nonliving chemicals. Unfortunately for Darwinists,
the first life—indeed any form of life—is by no means “simple.” This
became abundantly clear in 1953 when James Watson and Francis Crick
discovered DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid), the chemical that encodes
instructions for building and replicating all living things.
DNA has a helical structure that looks like a twisted ladder. The
sides of the ladder are formed by alternating deoxyribose and phos-
phate molecules, and the rungs of the ladder consist of a specific order
of four nitrogen bases. These nitrogen bases are adenine, thymine, cytosine,
and guanine, which commonly are represented by the letters A, T,
C, and G. These letters comprise what is known as the four-letter
genetic alphabet. This alphabet is identical to our English alphabet in
terms of its ability to communicate a message, except that the genetic
alphabet has only four letters instead of twenty-six.1 Just as the specific
order of the letters in this sentence communicates a unique message, the
specific order of A, T, C, and G within a living cell determines the
unique genetic makeup of that living entity. Another name for that message
or information, whether it’s in a sentence or in DNA, is “specified
complexity.” In other words, not only is it complex—it also contains a
specific message.
The incredible specified complexity of life becomes obvious when
one considers the message found in the DNA of a one-celled amoeba (a
creature so small, several hundred could be lined up in an inch). Staunch
Darwinist Richard Dawkins, professor of zoology at Oxford University,
admits that the message found in just the cell nucleus of a tiny amoeba
is more than all thirty volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica combined,
and the entire amoeba has as much information in its DNA as
1,000 complete sets of the Encyclopedia Britannica! In other words, if
you were to spell out all of the A, T, C, and G in the “unjustly called
‘primitive’ amoeba” (as Dawkins describes it), the letters would fill
1,000 complete sets of an encyclopedia!
Now, we must emphasize that these 1,000 encyclopedias do not
consist of random letters but of letters in a very specific order—just
like real encyclopedias. So here’s the key question for Darwinists
like Dawkins: if simple messages such as “Take out the garbage—
Mom,” “Mary loves Scott,” and “Drink Coke” require an intelligent
being, then why doesn’t a message 1,000 encyclopedias long
require one?
Darwinists can’t answer that question by showing how natural laws
could do the job. Instead, they define the rules of science so narrowly
that intelligence is ruled out in advance, leaving natural laws as the only
game in town.
now, if we got here by a chaotic, destructive, & unguided explosion (the big bang). there is no logical & or reasonable way you, being honest & objective, could possibly think, that THAT chaotic, messy, naturalistic, materialistic, dumb, purposeless, mindless, destructive, & unguided explosion, over any amount of time, COULD MAKE THE UNIVERSE, THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, OUR SOLAR SYSTEM & ALL LIFE, which is & are literally, nothing short of a LITERAL MIRACLE FROM God IN & OF their ASTRONOMICAL! complexity, delicacy & design AND TO HAVE IT ALL WORK TOGETHER SO PERFECTLY, COMPLETELY, COMPLEX & DELICATE, to come into existence!....... I DONT HAVE ENOUGH FAITH TO BELIEVE THAT!
everything that was made BARES THE SIGNATURE OF God ALLMIGHTY
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.- Genesis 1:1
& NO LOGICAL, SANE, REASONABLE, TRUTHFUL, HONEST, RIGHTEOUS PERSON, WOULD EVER! SAY ANY DIFFERENT.
just like a painting. HE is the artist WHO HAS SIGNED WITH HIS DIVINE HANDS, HIS CREATION:
Psalms 8:3 - 9
3When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all [things] under his feet:
7All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
8The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, [and whatsoever] passeth through the paths of the seas.
9O LORD our Lord, how excellent [is] thy name in all the earth!
Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, thou [art] our father; we [are] the clay, and thou our potter; and we all [are] the work of thy hand.
now, considering the paragraph about the question of wether or not aliens made us ( THE PART THAT LISTS THE CONDITIONS)
AND
that 1 paragraph from the i dont have enough faith to be an atheist book;
just going on that ALONE!
NOW!!? how reasonable, logical, sane & truthful is it, NOT to believe in God?...
answer: -0! below zero. (mathematically, philosophically, reasonably & sensibly; common & other)
some call US CRAZY & yet THEY believe ALL THAT,.....came from naturalistic & materialistic, dumb luck/chance?...... WHEN THE ODDS (CHANCE) ARE ABSOLUTELY COSMICALLY & COMICALLY ARE SO SMALL, THAT THEY VIRTUALLY DONT EXIST!.........
(more on the odds & such in the i dont have enough faith to be an atheist book)
i'm sorry: i just don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
IT TAKES SEVERLY LESS FAITH TO BELIEVE IN God, THAN TO NOT BELIEVE IN God! clear as day!
logic, reason, truth, sanity & righteousness, isn't on the atheist's side, it's on God's side. their dirty little secret that most of them don't know (some intentionally DONT KNOW) & most that DO KNOW, intentionally DON'T TELL.
MORE POINTS OF THIS MESSAGE IS:
1: to point out that we (the human race - you) are absolutely without any doubt, question or deniability, in truth & in deed ARE people, with hearts, upon wich is written THE MORAL LAW, souls, freewill, minds with logic, reason, rationale, imagination & absolute truth, all created by THE 1, THE ONLY, THE TRUE, THE LIVING, THE HOLY, THE PERFECT & THE RIGHTEOUS, ALLMIGHTY God! &, pointing that out, is evidence against ATHEISM & FOR God! (BECAUSE ONLY IF God EXISTS ARE THESE REAL & ACTUAL) & THESE ARE SELF EVIDENT, ABSOLUTE TRUTHS.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
-- The Declaration of Idependence of The United States of America.
WHO or WHAT do you think that statement came from? WHO OR WHAT do you think IT COULD have come from?
here is an even BETTER QUESTION! WHERE DID THAT STATEMENT ACTUALLY COME FROM? God? or dna, chemicals & physics? which 1. has to be 1 of those 2. so which is it?...
obviously, it was GIVEN FROM God. IT ONLY COULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN FROM God SINCE ATHEISM CANT PROVIDE IT!
& 2: that even if aliens or life arose naturally, & God doesnt exist & didn't create us, it's still a case against you personally & your argument morally, logically & or reasonably against God & HIS existence. argumentationally speaking, you lose either way if God DOES or DOES NOT Exist. you have no valid, reasonable, rational, credible argument whatsoever, period, in any case AT ALL as you have already read & AS YOU will read below.
the below part is just to nail the nails in your argument(s), message(s), complaint(s) & your coffin so to speak.
that alone, proves evolution to be your only way, alternative or option. either THE LORD DID NOT make us, or THE LORD DID make us. these are the only 2 viable options THERE COULD EVER BE! PERIOD! NO QUESTIONS ASKED! WHAT OTHER WAY IS POSSIBLE? THINK ABOUT THAT?
now, IF YOU ARE INDEED A ATHEIST/NATURALIST/MATERIALIST, you MUST ACCEPT THIS. THIS TRULY IS IN FACT & IN DEED, THE LAWS, RULES & RAMIFICATIONS (RESULT(S)) OF ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM. simply because there is no other alternative for you. if you DO NOT ACCEPT THIS, then you are either a theist, meaning to believe in God. which you ARE NOT. or you are a self-contradicting, lying-to-yourself-hypocritical atheist /naturalist / materialist. in other words, the theory of MACRO evolution:
from THE GOO, TO YOU, VIA (THROUGH) THE ZOO.
now, that being said, lets analyze the argument that you have presented US with.
1st: IF ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM IS TRUE, THERE IS NOT & CAN NOT BE, NO SUCH THING AS ANY SUBJECTIVE OR ABSOLUTE, PERSONAL & OR INTRINSIC! VALUE, WORTH, PURPOSE OR MEANING IN ANYTHING LET ALONE ANY1...including you (it)!
A)>: all there is IN ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM is time + space + matter + physics + SHEER DUMB LUCK/chance. that's it. that is all there is OR CAN BE. true ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM to the fullest. were simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecule in space & time made by & obeying the laws of physics
B)>: if you put a rock, a plant, a bug, a cow, & you together in a line up, there is no difference scientifically basically speaking. because the rock, the plant, the cow, the bug & you, are nothing more than matter that exists in time & space, altered by COMPLETE, TOTAL, UNDENIABLE, SHEER, DUMB LUCK/CHANCE & all life is simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecular structure in space & time made by & obeying physics. it doesnt matter if you are alive or dead, animate or NON animate, matter is matter. there is no true life or death. just dna, chemical & physical function. no more.
C)>: in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, you believe that you are just a mere accident. an absolutely coincidental byproduct of a prebiotic soup. that your just a oversized bacteria/cell/whatever you all (ATHEISTS/NATURALISTS/MATERIALISTS) decide. an evolved animal, a microbe which is only molecules, chemicals,etc... its made of (which is, in the end, still, nothing {only in atheism} ) we're simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecular structure in space & time made by & obeying physics.
D)>: even if you think that you have value, worth, meaning & purpose, it's all just COMPLETE SUBJECTIVE OPINION of yourself & every1 else. NOT AN ABSOLUTE FACT. but to be COMPLETELY HONEST, value, worth, meaning & purpose is ALL A DELUSION. a lie & myth & NOTHING MORE. were simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecular structure in space & time made by & obeying physics. were accidents. there was & is no forethought, planning, intent, design, meaning, value, purpose or worth of any kind in our existence. were just extremely lucky to the point & beyond a miracle. (God)
the evolutionist sates:
"We are here because one odd group of fishes had a peculiar fin anatomy that could transform into legs for terrestrial creatures; because comets struck the earth and wiped out dinosaurs, thereby giving mammals a chance not otherwise available (so thank your lucky stars in a literal sense); because the earth never froze entirely during an ice age; because a small and tenuous species, arising in Africa a quarter of a million years ago, has managed, so far, to survive by hook AND by crook. We may yearn for a 'higher' answer-but none exists. This explanation, though superficially troubling, if not terrifying, is ultimately liberating and exhilarating" --- Stephen Jay Gould
(this all ONLY applies in ATHEISM/ NATURALISM/ MATERIALISM) also, you CAN NOT assert more (or any) value, worth, purpose or meaning to yourself, than that cow, that plant or that rock, just because their chemicals, minerals, molecules & atoms, etc.. is "arranged" or "built" differently (by SHEER DUMB LUCK! of course, only in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM) or because of your feelings, morals, preference, logic or reasoning. IF SO, HOW & WHY?
2nd: IN ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE TERM "YOU". the term "you" is asserting PERSONHOOD & absolute personal meaning, worth, purpose, value & or morality which doesn't & can't exist in atheism. allow Us to explain. (kind of a repeat of all that above here- redundant in may ways, but chock-filled with WAY more CRUCIAL info. read all of it please)
A)>: you & everything & every1, anywhere at any time (which of course, in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, scientifically speaking, every1 is nothing more than things. just specially arranged matter or a collection of atoms, nothing more. so technically, we're still things. moving things, but things none the less) that are nothing more than a collection of arranged matter (that happened by SHEER, DUMB LUCK/chance. it's very important to remember that about ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM) that exists in time & space, obeying physics, altered by COMPLETE, TOTAL, UNDENIABLE, SHEER, DUMB LUCK/CHANCE. (every1 & everything, got here by SHEER DUMB LUCK! NOT by A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, all intelligent, infinite, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person also known as God. we're merely evolved protoplasm that washed up on the beach. just flesh bags of chemicals, atoms,etc.. from a event of millions/billions of years that happened because of SHEER, UNBRIDLED, UNLIMITED, DUMB LUCK! & NOT BECAUSE OF A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, all intelligent, infinite, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person also known as God. were just a bunch of particles in motion. again, IT'S VERY VERY IMPORTANT to remember & stress this very much so, that THAT, is only A FACT of ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM...
B)>: you believe you are an animal (animals still being nothing more than things of course). since afterall, you believe man, that's you (or it), evolved from monkeys / bacteria (or whatever you decide we evolved from, it doesn't matter) which are animals/ bacteria / particles in motion OBEYING PHYSICS. so the term "you" is a lie. saying that you are a "you" is asserting PERSONHOOD & ABSOLUTE PERSONAL & INTRINSIC value, worth, purpose, meaning & or morality. there is no such thing as ABSOLUTE PERSONAL & INTRINSIC value, worth, purpose, meaning & or morality in the 1st place to any1 & anything IN ATHEISM / NATURALISM / MATERIALISM, LET ALONE YOU. afterall, in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, YOU...ARE nothing more than a bunch of chemicals, minerals, molecules & atoms that came together from nothing more than time + space + matter + PHYSICS + ABSOLUTE, COMPLETE, TOTAL, UNDENIABLE, SHEER, DUMB LUCK/CHANCE. NOT BECAUSE OF A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, all intelligent, infinite, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person also known as God. EVERYTHING (EVERY1) means absolutely, POSITIVELY NO PERSONAL & OR INTRINSIC VALUE, MEANING, PURPOSE & MORALITY...if THIS IS WRONG....how? WHY? explain please?...SURELY THERE MUST BE EVIDENCE AGAINST THIS......right???....
C)>: in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, you believe that you are just a mere accident. an absolutely coincidental byproduct of a prebiotic soup. that your just a oversized bacteria/cell/whatever you all (ATHEISTS/NATURALISTS/MATERIALISTS) decide. an evolved animal & your only worth as much as much as a microbe which is worth the molecules, chemicals,etc... its made of (which is, in the end, still, nothing {only in atheism}) we're simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecular structure in space & time made by & obeying physics
D)>: even if you think that you have value, worth, meaning, purpose, morality OR PERSONHOOD, it's all just COMPLETE SUBJECTIVE OPINION of yourself & every1 else & ITS JUST A DELUSION CAUSED BY D.N.A, CHEMICALS & PHYSICS! NOT AN ABSOLUTE FACT. but to be COMPLETELY HONEST, value, worth, meaning, purpose or morality is ALL A DELUSION. a lie & myth & NOTHING MORE. were simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecular structure in space & time made by & obeying physics. were accidents. there was & is no forethought, planning, intent, design, meaning, value, purpose or worth of any kind in our existence. were just extremely lucky to the point & beyond a miracle. (God)
so in order for your argument, message, etc... to be valid & true,
1st: YOU must provide ABSOLUTE PERSONAL & INTRINSIC worth, value, purpose, meaning & PERSONHOOD.
but your belief CAN'T & doesnt. ALL COMPLAINTS, PRAISES OR STATEMENTS ARE ABOUT PERSON(S), TOO PERSON(S) & OR BY PERSON(S). what ABSOLUTE PERSONAL & INTRINSIC value, worth, meaning, purpose & PERSONHOOD IS THERE ANYWHERE?, to your life, any existence or any1's & anything's life & OR existence? the rock, the plant, the cow & you, are nothing more than a bunch of chemicals, minerals, molecules & atoms,etc.. that came & "arranged" from absolutely, positively, nothing more than time + space + matter + PHYSICS + SHEER DUMB LUCK/chance. were simply machines of matter in space & time made by & obeying physics. that is it, that is all. all life is merely protoplasm that accidently washed up on the beach. just flesh bags of chemicals, atoms,etc.. that accidently just so happened to get "arranged" from an event that happened millions/billions of years ago that happened by SHEER DUMB LUCK/CHANCE! NOT by A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, spiritual ,all intelligent, infinite, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person also known as God.
your argument, message, opinion or all the above etc.. or whatever it may be or you call it, if you notice, IS RAISED BY A PERSON (YOU) TO A PERSON (ME) ABOUT PERSON(S) (ANYONE) in this case you, a person, you, are complaining or arguing, etc... God (a person) on the behalf of person (you, me, humanity, etc..) at any1 else (people or persons as it were) by person(s), to person(s), about person(s). but, in atheism there is no personhood. so your entire argument, complaint, objection, opinion, just died. it died before you ever spoke a word. for even in in silence your still a person (God exists) arent you a person?
in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, since your nothing more than a evolved animal / bacteria / MATTER IN MOTION... if some1 kills you or you die... so what? your just matter in motion. besides, WE HUNT, KILL & EAT ANIMALS EVERY DAY. SINCE EVOLUTION SAYS YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A EVOLVED ANIMAL / BACTERIA / RANDOM COLLOCATION OF ATOMS, WHY NOT HUNT, KILL & EAT "YOU"? right?... i mean, WE ARE, afterall, nothing more than evolved monkeys / bacteria / matter in motion (or whatever you/they decide we evolved from).... aren't we? does a lion on the plains of africa think about the concept of murder when it hunts down ,captures & snaps the neck of a gazelle & then eats it? why should we be any different? HOW CAN WE BE ANY DIFFERENT? since "science" has proved we're NO different BY ANY MEANS FROM ANIMALS/BACTERIA...... what's your problem? in ATHEISM / NATURALISM / MATERIALISM, we DID COME FROM ANIMALS / BACTERIA, SO WERE AMORAL, APERSONAL, VALUELESS, MEANINGLESS, WORTHLESS, IMMORAL, PURPOSELESS, SOULLESS ANIMALS / BACTERIA THAT ARE SLAVES TO OUR DNA, CHEMICALS, MOLECULES, MATTER, PHYSICS, ETC.. THAT GOT HERE FROM UNBRIDLED, UNLIMITED, PURE & SHEER DUMB LUCK/chance! ADDED WITH MILLIONS & BILLIONS OF YEARS. NOT! BECAUSE OF A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, spiritual, all intelligent, infinite, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person force also known as God......... correct?
now we get to the climax of the message. THE ABOVE NEEDED TO BE STRESSED AS MUCH AS IT IS ALL FOR THIS BELOW. this is where your argument(s), ?(s), message(s),etc... shatters & dies, as the double edged sword that you use to condemn God, only condemns & damns you along with YOUR ATHEISM/ NATURALISM & MATERIALISM to YOUR coffin & you probably don't even know it.
2nd: THE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD & EVIL OR MORALITY IN ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM NOR CAN THERE BE.
IF ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM be true, we're:
A)>: we are nothing more than chemicals, minerals, molecules & atoms, etc.. that came together by sheer dumb luck. chemicals, minerals, molecules & atoms, etc.. matter, chemicals & such don't reason, THEY REACT. chemicals, minerals, molecules & atoms, etc.. don't have morality. how can they? all there is that dictate our actions is just 4 things. the completely normal, natural, pre-programmed, neurons, hormones, genetics & DNA. that's it.... isn't it? there is nothing else that CAN determine our actions in a/the ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview & ITS BECAUSE OF THIS THAT THERE IS NO FREEWILL, PERSONHOOD, GOOD & EVIL OR MORALITY IN a/the ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview.
B)>: you & everything & every1, anywhere at any time (which of course, in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, scientifically speaking, every1 is nothing more than things. just specially arranged matter or a collection of atoms, nothing more. so technically, we're still things. moving things, but things none the less) that are nothing more than a collection of arranged matter (that happened by SHEER, DUMB LUCK/chance. it's very important to remember that about ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM) that exists in time & space, obeying physics, altered by COMPLETE, TOTAL, UNDENIABLE, SHEER, DUMB LUCK/CHANCE. (every1 & everything, got here by SHEER DUMB LUCK! NOT by A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, all intelligent, infinite, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person also known as God. we're merely evolved protoplasm that washed up on the beach. just flesh bags of chemicals, atoms,etc.. from a event of millions/billions of years that happened because of SHEER, UNBRIDLED, UNLIMITED, DUMB LUCK! & NOT BECAUSE OF A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, all intelligent, infinite, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person also known as God. were just a bunch of particles in motion. again, IT'S VERY VERY IMPORTANT to remember & stress this very much so, that THAT, is only A FACT of ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM...
C)>: you believe you are an animal (animals still being nothing more than things of course). since afterall, you believe man, that's you (or it), evolved from monkeys / bacteria (or whatever you decide we evolved from, it doesn't matter) which are animals/ bacteria / particles in motion OBEYING PHYSICS. so the term "you" is a lie. saying that you are a "you" is asserting PERSONHOOD & ABSOLUTE PERSONAL & INTRINSIC value, worth, purpose, meaning & or morality. there is no such thing as ABSOLUTE PERSONAL & INTRINSIC value, worth, purpose, meaning & or morality in the 1st place to any1 & anything IN ATHEISM / NATURALISM / MATERIALISM, LET ALONE YOU. afterall, in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, YOU...ARE nothing more than a bunch of chemicals, minerals, molecules & atoms that came together from nothing more than time + space + matter + PHYSICS + ABSOLUTE, COMPLETE, TOTAL, UNDENIABLE, SHEER, DUMB LUCK/CHANCE. NOT BECAUSE OF A/THE ETERNAL all powerful, infinite, transcendent, supernatural, all intelligent, infinite, valuable, meaningful, purposeful, personal, moral person also known as God. EVERYTHING (EVERY1) means absolutely, POSITIVELY NO PERSONAL & OR INTRINSIC VALUE, MEANING, PURPOSE & MORALITY...if THIS IS WRONG....how? WHY? explain please?...SURELY THERE MUST BE EVIDENCE AGAINST THIS......right???....
D)>: in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM, you believe that you are just a mere accident. an absolutely coincidental byproduct of a prebiotic soup. that your just a oversized bacteria/cell/whatever you all (ATHEISTS/NATURALISTS/MATERIALISTS) decide. an evolved animal & your only worth as much as much as a microbe which is worth the molecules, chemicals,etc... its made of (which is, in the end, still, nothing {only in atheism}) we're simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecular structure in space & time made by & obeying physics
E)>: even if you think that you have value, worth, meaning, purpose, morality OR PERSONHOOD, it's all just COMPLETE SUBJECTIVE OPINION of yourself & every1 else & ITS JUST A DELUSION CAUSED BY D.N.A, CHEMICALS & PHYSICS! NOT AN ABSOLUTE FACT. but to be COMPLETELY HONEST, value, worth, meaning, purpose or morality is ALL A DELUSION. a lie & myth & NOTHING MORE. were simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecular structure in space & time made by & obeying physics. were accidents. there was & is no forethought, planning, intent, design, meaning, value, purpose or worth of any kind in our existence. were just extremely lucky to the point & beyond a miracle. (God)
NOW, CONSIDERING ALL SO FAR,
IF THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE FREEWILL, PERSONHOOD, GOOD & EVIL OR MORALITY HOW CAN U BLAME ANY1 OR ANYTHING FOR ANYTHING!!! THEIR JUST OBEYING DNA, CHEMICALS & THE LAWS OF PHYSICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE ARE NO OTHER EXPLANATIONS IF ATHEISM IS TRUE & God DOES NOT EXIST.
there is no right or wrong, justice or injustice, good or evil.
it's ALL JUST A BIG DELUSION/LIE in ATHEISM / NATURALISM / MATERIALISM.
we're simply dancing to our neurons, hormones, genetics & DNA, aren't we?
EVEN RICHARD DAWKINS ADMITS TO THIS. we're just completely normal, natural, inherent, pre-programmed by our genetic code animals/ bacteria / matter in motion obeying physics. aren't we?
so let Us ask you.
how much does justice weigh?
how many CC's of insanity does it take to push some1 over the edge?
what dosage of good or evil does it take to make any1 do any good or bad action(s)?
if this truly is a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world there must be a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC answer. please tell Us.....We'd love to know.
the person (sorry, animal / bacteria / thing) that discovers the "good & evil" chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... will be THE MOST FAMOUS PERSON OTHER THAN JESUS IN HISTORY!.
the whole point of morality is justice & injustice, accountability. & responsibility. you can have any moral standards you want or like, its all meaningless without FREEWILL & THEREFORE, without justice & injustice, accountability. & responsibility. because even if some1 (sorry, animal / bacteria/ thing) committed a "bad thing" or "sin", you cant do anything about it. you cant punish any1 for anything since in a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview, BECAUSE everything a person does totally, absolutely, positively acts on chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... so you cant blame any1 for doing what their own chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... tell them to do. every action we all do is natural, material & therefore NORMAL & JUSTIFIED!
what is there to agree or disagree?
there is no right & wrong. just natural, material & therefore COMPLETELY NORMAL & THEREFORE RIGHTEOUS & JUST. no more. right?
YOU believe all is natural, material & therefore normal & thus righteous & justified. right? has to be. because you (it) can't say it isn't. therefore, there is no ABSOLUTE NOR SUBJECTIVE freewill, personhood, good & evil or any valid law, moral or not, in atheism. which is all the more valid evidence & reason for God.
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" -Romans 2:14
"Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)" -Romans 2:15
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. " -Romans 2:16
Hebrews 9:27- And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
morality is a script. a script that tells a person what is good & evil, right & wrong, just & unjust. & (even if you could have morality in atheism) if that "moral script" is not absolute, but subjective (to their / YOUR own chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... then we (sorry again, animals / bacteria / thing(s) are ALL completely justified for how we act, what we do, what we say, what & how we think & all of the productions from those things aka our own being... we can't change OUR own chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... so how can we change the way we (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) act & do, because we have no freewill whatsoever. but there isn't even any subjective morality. again, you cant blame any1 because their just dancing to physics & dna. your "subjective moral law" doesn't even make any sense because, due to atheism's laws & rules & ramifications, you cant label any1, anything or any action at anytime at anyplace, at all, good & evil, absolutely or subjectively, cause' every action we all do is natural, material & therefore NORMAL & JUSTIFIED! what is there to agree or disagree? there is no right & wrong. just natural, material & therefore COMPLETELY NORMAL & THEREFORE RIGHTEOUS & JUST. no more. all is natural, material & therefore normal & thus righteous & justified. right? has to be. because you (it) cant say it isn't. which is all the more valid evidence & reason for God.
AN ATHEIST CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE FREEWILL:
1 of the things that the naturalist holds to is that EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY PART OF NATURE. & that everything is what it is because other things are the way they are. so that EVERYTHING is so COMPLETELY INTERLOCKED into the natural system. if it is completely natural then that means that it is completely interlocked in the system of nature. this is why no naturalist can believe in freewill. because to say that something has freewill is to say that it is INDEPENDENT OF THE INTERLOCKED SYSTEM of nature. thus the thing that ALLOWS YOU to have freewill MUST BE INDEPENDENT of nature (THE SUPERNATURAL, SPIRITUAL, God) in order for you to break free from this interlocked, natural system of nature. so this thing that allows you to have freewill, is independent of nature. thus it is not natural, thus to say that you have freewill is to say that YOU ARE NOT COMPLETELY NATURAL, MATERIAL & PHYSICAL. which is impossible in a atheistic / naturalistic / materialistic world / worldview. if YOU ARE JUST chemical equations then that means EVERY SINGLE PART OF US DOWN TO OUR BASE CHEMICALS CAN BE DETERMINED TO REACT WITHIN A CERTAIN WAY WHEN ALL THE SURROUNDING CIRCUMSTANCES ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. & if everything about you (your body) can be naturally determined, then freewill is a myth. so to say that our bodies are completely natural, is to say that they are completely interlocked within the locked system of nature. which gives NO FREEWILL. you are simply a carbon based machine & EVERYTHING IN NATURE is driven by non personal forces. like the movements of particles. so freewill is just a illusion. you might think you have freewill, but if atheism is true, you cant & don't. so what makes you do the things you do? since God (the supernatural) doesn't exist. then all that exists is matter, time & space. meaning the only thing that CAN & DOES explain why you do the things that you do is INSIDE MATTER, TIME, & SPACE. (the natural / naturalism / materialism) that exists in time & space. molecules, chemicals & such that is instructed by our dna OBSERVING PHYSICS. so if all we are is matter that exists in time & space obeying physics & there is no supernatural, then that would mean that all our actions are & can only be determined by WHAT our dna & the laws of physics prescribes & nothing else. & since we evolved & are animals....then......all that decides what WE do is.....dna. why? because that is all there is that can determine our actions. not only that, but their is no "mind", "personal", "moral", "logical", "reasonable", "sane" or the opposites of them. none of that, its just physics, dna & chemicals. that's it. why? that's all it can be. the atheist lives in a naturalistic & materialistic universe/ world/ world view, meaning:
nat·ur·al·ism
1. belief in religious truth from nature:
a belief that all religious truth is derived from nature and natural causes, and not from revelation
2. doctrine rejecting spiritual explanations of world:
a system of thought that rejects all spiritual and supernatural explanations of the world and holds that science is the sole basis of what can be known
therefore..
MATERIALISM: ma·te·ri·al·ism
ma·te·ri·al·ism
1. focus on possessions:
devotion to material wealth and possessions at the expense of spiritual or intellectual values
2. theory of physical:
the philosophical theory that physical matter is the only reality and that psychological states such as emotions, reason, thought, and desire can only be explained by physical functions
in other words:
atheism, which leads to & or is, naturalism & materialism, is a belief held by someone that God or deities do not exist, & rejects all spiritual and supernatural explanations of any kind about anything at anytime & origins of the world (the spiritual & supernatural does NOT exist) and holds that science is the sole basis of what is & can be known & that physical matter is the only reality, and that psychological states such as emotions, reason, thought, desire & that ones actions can only be explained by physical functions.
conclusion..
belief in REAL or ANY morality (personhood included) depends on God 1st & then freewill from the body
(the physical body being not just matter that exist in time & space, & the actions of said body NOT being completely determined by our chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... that commands us) in other words there is a supernatural or SPIRITUAL part of ourselves within which is our personhood, freewill & THE moral law written on our hearts, the heart itself, that is in our souls (which is made by God)
which assumes TRANSCENDENCE from the body
which is / assumes the supernatural is real & exists
(supernatural means BEYOND the natural. beyond the natural is BEYOND the physical. the physical is matter that exist in time & space)
which assumes a supernatural, spiritual, intelligent, personal, moral, allpowerful, creator, person who has installed into our makeup freewill, personhood & THE moral law written on our hearts that is in our soul....
also known as:
God
in other words, in order for you & your argument to make any sense at all, there has to be:
1: supernatural (SPIRITUAL) part of ourselves within which is & exists our personhood, freewill & THE moral law written on our hearts, that is in our souls which is made by God.
2: God, who is the absolute moral law, THE standard, the perfect law / standard, the highest & absolute authority, moral & other.
if God doesn't exist, how else could we have personhood, freewill, good & evil & ANY moral law? wouldn't & couldn't. if atheism is true, & God does NOT exist, then there is & can be none of the things that you are arguing for. your stealing bricks from God's house just to throw it back at Him. you have to sit in God's lap to slap His face. ALL THAT YOU ARE & HAVE IS WORTH NOTHING IF God DOESN'T EXIST! HE HAS TO EXIST 1ST FOR YOU TO ARGUE!!!
us it's (we) are all just obeying physics, dna & chemicals. what is there to agree or disagree? there is no right & wrong. just natural, normal & material. no more. right? so (whatever you have a problem with) is natural, material & therefore normal & righteous, right? has to be. because you (it) cant say it isn't. not to mention there is no good & evil. all is natural, material & therefore normal & righteous, no more. right?
so if atheism is true, THERE IS no freewill, personhood, good & evil, or morality IN ATHEISM. NOR CAN THERE BE! & since you are an atheist you cannot use ANY FREEWILL, PERSONAL, OR MORAL REFERENCES in ANY OPINION YOU HAVE BECAUSE IT IS NOTHING BUT MYTH & ILLUSION.
but if YOU still believe in freewill, personhood, value, logic & morality heres a question for you:
where does, did, can & could freewill, personhood, value, logic & morality come from?
if everything has a cause, then "freewill, personhood, & morality" had to come from somewhere & have a cause 2.
how can YOU blame any1 for acting & doing anything??? including God...(& also HIS followers) & even if we actually had freewill in a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview) you can't blame God. for HE does'nt even exist in a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview) so why do YOU (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) hate Him? HOW can you (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) hate Him? HE DOESN'T EVEN EXIST! YOU (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) HATE WHO IS NOT EVEN THERE?!?!? (& YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FREEWILL OR PERSONHOOD (TO CHOOSE) TO HATE) also, you (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) know that HOLY BIBLE you (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) hate sooo much RIGHT?
1: IF YOUR ATHEISM, YOUR BELIEF IS TRUE, it was written by "people" (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) that WERE just doing exactly what their their own chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... COMMANDED them to write IN THE HOLY BIBLE & DO WHAT IT SAYS... there is no other, nor can BE no other explanation... in a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview) is there? also, again, even if we have freewill & personhood in a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview), & all morality is subjective... you (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) cant complain about any1's (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) actions or morality. because IT IS JUST AS VALID & TRUE AS YOUR (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) SUBJECTIVE MORALITY! THE LAW OF SUBJECTIVISTIC MORALITY IS: IT'S ALL TRUE! EVERY1'S STANDARDS & THEREFORE ACTIONS (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) IS RIGHT & JUSTIFIED.
......EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED......
so, since you (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) can't hate God, cause' He doesn't even exist, & His Word: THE HOLY BIBLE, is just as validly perfect & righteous as any other, why & ESPECIALLY HOW! do/CAN you (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) have a problem with HIM? it's HIS subjective morality, leave "us" & HIM alone. you can't PRAISE, complain or condemn ANY1, religious or not. after all us (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) are just doing what OUR own chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... COMMAND US (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) TO DO, SAY, ACT, ETC... were simply machines of matter that exists in time + space, with luck, dancing to physics & dna. no more. right?
therefore, there is no such thing as good & evil or any law saying that there is in a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world or worldview because
there is no such thing AS ABSOLUTE FREEWILL, PERSONHOOD & INTRINSIC VALUE, MEANING, PURPOSE & MORALITY, THEREFORE, justice & injustice, accountability & responsibility DON'T & CANT EXIST / CANT BE EXPECTED OF ANY1 NOR ACHIEVED BY ANY1. you can't praise, damn, reward or punish any1 (their still animals / bacteria / MATTER IN MOTION OBEYING PHYSICS in a ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview) completely bound by our chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), MATTER IN MOTION, PHYSICS, etc...
there is no freewill & we (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) cant change because all our (, animals / bacteria / thing(s) actions, words, etc.. are caused by OUR own chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), MATTER IN MOTION OBEYING PHYSICS, etc...
you believe that we, all life, are simply machines of matter that exists in time + space, with luck, dancing to physics & dna. no more. right? that your just chemicals & nothing more. just a bunch of evolved cells which is just a bunch of molecules, atoms, etc... you have no freewill, no personhood, no heart, no soul, no mind (reason, logic, truth, rationale, imgination, etc..) , you believe you are a IT!, not a who, how then, can you validly, logically, righteously, complain against God? its an absurd concept that the it that you are, in atheism, can have a complaint against a person! (God) its absurd!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3GNbUyDY74
HERE IS EVEN MORE PROBLEM WITH YOUR ARGUMENT & PERSONAL BELIEFS:
SOME OR MOST ATHEISTS SAY : "WELL, THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE MORALITY! ALL MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCE(s) & OPINION(s)"
if that is so,
a few ?'s for you:
who or what tells you what is right or wrong, good & evil?
who or what causes you to BELIEVE THEM/IT?
who or what standard are you going by/using?
& is that standard absolute & universal, or just subjective personal fanaticism, dogma or opinion?
& even if you know what's right or wrong, so what?
how & why care?
how & why bother at all?
how & why does anything or any1 matter?
how, why & what is wrong with any thing, 1, belief, action, word & any & or all in between & or beyond?
SOMEONE OR SOMETHING MUST BE THE CAUSE.........SO WHATS THE ANSWER.
1: when any1 / you judge God, as you are or may be doing by saying, suggesting & or thinking that HE is doing bad things, aren't you are asserting that there is such a thing as ABSOLUTE evil? aren't you also asserting that there is such a thing as ABSOLUTE good? & THEN aren't you asserting that there is such a thing as a ABSOLUTE MORAL LAW with which to tell the difference BETWEEN ABSOLUTE good & evil? & then aren't you asserting that there is a ABSOLUTE moral law GIVER? but THE ABSOLUTE MORAL LAW GIVER, God, is the 1 your trying to disprove & not prove, if there is no ABSOLUTE moral law GIVER (God) there is NO ABSOLUTE MORAL LAW, if there is no ABSOLUTE moral law, there is no ABSOLUTE good. if there is no ABSOLUTE good, there is no ABSOLUTE evil. what is your problem, grudge or argument against God?
2: why are you arguing AGAINST & hating God, HIS WORD & HIS followers? IF ALL MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE, then God & HIS followers, opinion(s), statement(s), words, SACRED TEXT (THE HOLY BIBLE (kjv) (or any other religious book{altho, only 1 book can be the real & true word of The Living God}) is just as righteous, valid & morally "perfect" as your subjective opinion(s), statement(s), words, etc.. & anything that happened back then today or tomorrow was, is, & always will be, just as perfect, righteous & holy as any other. you have to say this is right. because you can't say it's wrong. literally! that fact that yor even reading this asserts your being being made by God...
3: if there is no ABSOLUTE MORALITY, & ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE MORALITY, THEN WHY DO YOU ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THE SUBJECTIVE MORALS / MORALITY THAT YOU BELIEVE?
4: WHY DO YOU ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THE SUBJECTIVE MORALS / MORALITY THAT YOU BELIEVE WHEN EVERY OTHER MORAL(S) / MORALITY is just as righteous, valid & morally "perfect" as ANY OTHER, INCLUDING YOURS?
5: if reason, opinion & thought is nothing more than material & natural causes(DNA, CHEMICALS, PHYSICS,ETC..) , then how & why can your trust your own reason, opinion & thought? & not only how, BUT WHY DO YOU??? how do you absolutely know but most importantly WHY DO YOU ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT God DOESN'T EXIST? & THAT HE'S EVIL? YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE MADE OF CHEMICALS & CHEMICALS DO NOT & CAN NOT REASON, THEY REACT. SO MORALS, PERSONHOOD, LOGIC, TRUTH, REASON, OPINION & ESPECIALLY 1'S ACTIONS...ITS ALL JUST DNA, CHEMICALS, PHYSICS. IT HAS TO BE. ISN'T IT?!
6: WHERE IS THERE PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS, HOLINESS, JUSTICE IN A SUBJECTIVE MORAL LAW? FOR ALL PURPOSES OF THE MORAL LAW IS TO HAVE THE PERFECT STANDARD & DEMAND THAT STANDARD BE MET, KEPT & MAINTAINED. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IMPERFECTION IS PERFECT CAUSE' WHY EVEN HAVE A SUBJECTIVE MORAL LAW OR ANY MORAL LAW, IF ITS OWN STANDARD ISN'T PERFECT PERFECTION, HOLINESS, JUSTICE & RIGHTEOUSNESS? BUT NO1 IS PERFECT. INCLUDING THE SUBJECTIVE MORAL LAW HOLDER (YOU) SO WHERE IS THERE PERFECT JUSTICE? WHERE OR WHO IS PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS, HOLINESS & JUSTICE? WHAT OR WHO CARRIES IT OUT? WHO OR WHAT CAN? WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN? HOW CAN IT HAPPEN?
7: TO HAVE ANY LAW WITHOUT A PERFECT LAW, A PERFECT LAW GIVER & PERFECT JUSTICE WITH THAT LAW, IT THEN BECOMES A FARCE UNTO ITSELF. IT TURNS TO NOUGHT. IT CORRODES & BECOMES DUST. IT WAXES INTO NOTHINGNESS. & DUE TO THIS FACT, IT IS THE MOST EVIL ABOVE THEM ALL. & YOUR ATHEISM IS THE CORNERSTONE & EPITOME OF THE GREATEST OF ALL OR ANY EVIL EVER! PERIOD
8: if God does not exist, then that means that there is no ABSOLUTE higher authority for anything (morality, etc..) there is nothing & no1 above humanity. there is no higher standard than what we say. if that is so, then all there can be is a subjective authority (morality, etc..) being all of us. to have a subjective moral law is the epitome of all evil. & is a farce to believe in any kind of good & evil, subjective or absolute in a atheistic/ naturalistic & materialistic world/ worldview as we went over why, above. so to have any morals whatsoever in your belief, is a lie, myth & illusion. & IF YOU DO cling to a moral law, subjective or absolute, then not only are you wrong for doing so, your belief would be wrong AS WELL!!!, & to believe in subjective morality is the most evil of all.
so, in the light of all this........
what is your probelm(s), grudge(s), argument(s), ?(s), message(s),etc... against God???
every atheist is 1 by choice. choice to reject & hate God for whatever their reason. logic & reason does not rule them.
IT'S EITHER their lust's: lust of & for pleasure in whatever form, greed, power, corruption, hatred, pride, apathy, intellectualism & or egoism.
OR THEIR EMOTIONS: there are some that have an emotional gripe agaisnt God & HIS EXISTENCE. these are the people that, because they are ignorant of God, confused & such as the like, OR they cant find, dont see, dont know, the answers to why whatever happend to them (if they even REALLY cared to look) or in their life, they reject God. which is stupid. feelings, emotions & opinions come & go, but TRUTH IS FOREVER & ABSOLUTE. its hard not being ruled by feelings, emotions & opinions. WE ALL deal with that. even us Christians. thats why God is so important. to literally reject urself, & instead, realize & accept God & HIS law, judgements, ordinance, & say so. HE'LL SHOW YOU THAT HE IS THE TRUTH & THAT HE IS, FEELS & DOES ALL THAT HIS WORD SAYS HE DOES & WILL DO. God KNOWS & CAN SEE EVERYTHING. PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE. God HAS SUFFERED & IS SUFFERING MORE THAN ANYONE. HE CLEARLY HE IS NOT IGNORANT OF PAIN & SUFFERING. HE DOES KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH. SO, TO US, God DOES LOOK, UPON A 1ST & IGNORANT GLANCE, AS EVIL, BUT HE'S NOT UPON FURTHER STUDY & EXAMINATION OF HIS WORD & UNDERSTANDING HIS CHARACTER & HOW HE FEELS, WHAT HE WANTS & WHAT HE SAYS IS RIGHT & WRONG & THE REASON WHY!
also, heres sumthing to think about:
if God is evil, then why does HE allow Good?
(not to mention, is evolution & atheism be true)
should'nt we be dead already?
& just burning in hell for God's evil pleasure?
or some other form of torture?
why is there beauty at all, when ugly is evils forte?
why can we laugh?
why can we be happy?
why can we love?
why can we think?
why isnt humanity equiped with bodliy weapons such as poison, claws, teeth, spines, etc... (like many animals have) to cause injury to ourself & others?
why do we have any sense of morality?
why do we have any sense of truth & lie?
why do we have any sense of value?
why do we feel to protect, serve & or sacrifice, even if it means to depart from loved ones, pleasure & life, mament or even death?
why is there a heaven & people that go there AT ALL?
if atheism is true,
( & if you cling to the delusion & myth of morality(not in actuality of course since atheism is wrong)
is every bodies morality right?
wouldn't you have to have an absolute standard (God) to say that every bodies morality IS NOT right?
& if atheism IS true, & God DOESN'T exist, then, isn't all morality, logic, reason, etc... subjective opinion & therefore RIGHT & just as valid, Righteous, Holy & Perfect as any other?
& since its all just subjective opinion, isn't everybody RIGHT & just as valid, Righteous, Holy & Perfect as any other?
including God?.......no.....ESPECIALLY God.....
YOU have to say YES! because YOU can't say no! & since that is so, what's the problem yo? (litl bit of slang humor)
& since the answer is yes, everybody is right.... what's your problem or complaint AGAINST God? SINCE, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION & CONSENT THROUGH YOUR OWN BELIEF, God, HIS FOLLOWERS, NON FOLLOWERS & EVERY OTHER "PERSON" ON THE WHOLE PLANET, ARE PROTECTED BY SUBJECTIVE MORALITY. WHEN YOU PICK UP & HOLD THE SWORD OF SUBJECTIVE MORALITY, THAT AUTOMATICALLY PUTS THAT SAME EXACT SWORD WITHIN THE HANDS OF YOUR SO CALLED OPPONENT, & WHEN YOU CLASH SWORDS, NEITHER 1 OF THE BLADES STRIKES EITHER OF YOU. THEY CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT. BECAUSE THEIR BOTH JUST AS HOLY, PERFECT, RIGHTEOUS, SANE & TRUTHFUL AS THE OTHER! THEIR EXACTLY THE SAME!!! THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING, DUE TO SUBJECTIVE MORALITY, GODS MORALS ARE JUST AS RIGHTEOUS, PERFECT & HOLY AS YOURS. (NOT JUST God, BUT EVERYBODY ELSES 2) SO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, ARGUMENT OR COMPLAINT??? YOU CAN HAVE NONE SINCE WERE RIGHT 2! ALL IS PERMITTED & OK! EVERYBODY IS RIGHT, ESPECIALLY HIM, & INCLUDING US!
you cant blame God for ANYTHING AT ALL. because IN ATHEISM, you believe that: (number 1 being a good point all on its own)
1: He doesn't exist - YOU CANT BLAME SOME1 FOR DOING ANYTHING WHO DOESN'T EVEN EXIST, TO DO, ANYTHING
2: THERE IS NO PERSONHOOD, FREEWILL OR MORALITY & EVEN IF THERE WAS, all "morality" HAS TO BE right, even HIS - SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
3: IN ATHEISM, God IS A CONVENTION OF THE LAWS OF PHYSICS & OUR DNA SINCE THERE IS NO OTHER REASON HOW OR WHY WE WOULD OR COULD BELIEVE HE EXISTS IN A ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC/ MATERIALISTIC SYSTEM WORLD/WORLD VIEW. God & BELIEF IN HIM & THE FOLLOWING OF HIM & HIS WORD IS COMPLETELY NATURAL, MATERIAL & THEREFORE PERFECTLY NORMAL, HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, JUSTIFIED, LOGICAL, REASONABLE & SANE. YOU HAVE TO SAY IT IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SAY IT ISN'T!!!
4: THE LAWS OF PHYSICS & OUR DNA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE "PROBLEMS" WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE, NOT God. BLAME THEM! BUT YOU IN REALITY BLAME AN IT!!!!! BY YOU OWN BELIEFS DEFINITION. YOU BLAME A FIGMENT OF OUR OWN DNA/CHEMICALS/PHYSICS. ISNT THAT YOUR BELIEF OF ATHEISM?
CONCLUSION: you have nothing to BLAME BUT ATHEISM / NATURALISM / MATERIALISM / THE LAWS OF PHYSICS / DNA. ARGUE AGAINST ATHEISM, NOT God. you'll be WAY more productive that way. does'nt matter if your productive or produce anything or not. all just turns to dust. doesn't it? that....is a very pitiful belief.
CALLING US DELUDED, INSANE, LIARS & WICKED IS IN ITSELF DELUDED, INSANE, LYING & WICKED, FOR , IN YOUR OWN BELIEF, THE LAWS OF PHYSICS & OUR OWN DNA HAS TOLD US WITH ABSOLUTELY NO CHOICE TO BELIEVE IN God & TO DO ALL HE COMMANDS. JUST LIKE YOURS HAS TOLD YOU TO NOT BELIEVE. ISN'T THIS RIGHT IN YOUR BELIEF? IT HAS TO BE. THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.
"When you eliminate the impossible, then whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
It is completely natural for us to believe in God. Why? You cant say that belief in God is caused by or of supernatural or spiritual, means, realities or existences. Therefore, belief in anything (especially God) must be caused by & of the natural & material. Because you adamantly say that this is a atheistic naturalistic & materialistic universe, & everything is caused by the natural & material, which includes belief in God. & Since belief in God is caused by (in your belief) by the natural & material then belief in God normal & therfore justified. Again, because there is no other alternative or way, you have to say that belief is God is natural because you cant say that the reason for belief is the opposite of the natural & material. You have to say its natural & normal & therefore justified because you cant say it isn't!
in other words, you should be agreeing with God instead of against Him. because in subjective moral terms, HIS MORAL(S) / MORALITY is just as righteous, valid & morally "perfect" as ANY OTHER, INCLUDING YOURS. therefore, what is your complaint against Him? either morality (good & evil & the law thereof) is ABSOLUTE, PERSONAL PERSON WHO IS PERFECT WITH A PERFECT MORAL LAW GIVER WHO CAN PROVIDE & DOES PERFORM & MAINTAIN PERFECT JUSTICE....OR IT DOES NOT & CAN NOT EXIST AT ALL! NOT JUST IN MORALS, BUT IN "LOGIC, TRUTH & REASON" ETC.. AS WELL.
like you believe, we're nothing more than chemicals, minerals, molecules, atoms,etc.. that came together ONLY by SHEER DUMB LUCK. chemicals, minerals, molecules, atoms,etc.. don't have morality. they just react. so where is there morality? HOW can there be morality? there is no ABSOLUTE right or wrong, ABSOLUTE justice or injustice, ABSOLUTE good or evil IN ATHEISM / NATURALISM / MATERIALISM. in a/the ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview, we're all ABSOLUTELY simply dancing to our completely normal, natural, inherent, pre-programmed, neuronal, hormonal, genetics & DNA? RIGHT??? see, in a/the ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview, hitler, stalin, mao, manson,etc.. were simply dancing to their absolutely, positively, completely normal, natural, inherent, pre-programmed neurons, hormones, genetics, & DNA.... you can't blame them or ANY1 for ANY ACTION NO MATTER HOW "good" or "evil" thats just YOUR PERSONAL, SUBJECTIVE OPINION says. there is no absolute law. it's all, anything & everything, is subjective; to the neuronal, hormonal, genetically programmed brain which lies within your own skull cavity! that may or may not contemplate any1 & or anything & everything. isn't that right? point is, there is no right or wrong, justice or injustice, GOOD NOR EVIL, PERSONHOOD & INTRINSIC'S THEREOF, IN ATHEISM / NATURALISM /MATERIALISM NOR CAN THERE BE, just absolutely, positively, completely normal, natural, INHERENT, PRE-PROGRAMMED, "SOFTWARE" (dna/genetic code)THAT MAKES ALL OF US, WHO WE ARE.....down to THE VERY LAST MOLECULE.......CORRECT???....... ALSO THERE'S matter + space + time + physics + whatever SHEER DUMB LUCK / totally random chance allows.
so what is your argument against God? WHERE?, is your argument against God? WE WOULD LOVE to see your evidence for absolute moral(s) / morality, personhood, freewill, the mind with logic, reason, rationale & truth & lies, value, worth, purpose & or meaning!....ANY1 OR COMBINATION OF THOSE! because 1st, for the argument against God to stand AT ALL, AT ANY STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT & OR APPLICATION, God HAS TO EXIST 1ST!!!
you are basically telling God: "you can't do this to me BECAUSE IT's EVIL! I'm a person! i matter! i have absolute moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. & you, God, are violating my absolute moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. SO how dare you God do/allow this"
that is your entire argument right there.
BUT!........TOUGH. YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN ATHEISM.....& ACCEPT ALL ITS RAMIFICATIONS & CONSEQUENCES..... YOU BELIEVE, VIA ATHEISM, THAT ABSOLUTE moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc..right & wrong, good & evil aka morality! ISN'T REAL, TRUE, VALID, LOGICAL, & IS JUST MYTH & ILLUSION! to even stand valid, you have to have a ABSOLUTE! moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. in the 1st place. if you don't, then anything & everything can be done or not done. period. by God, man, animal, bacteria, item. all is good, righteous & perfect due to subjectivism. the atheist(s) create an argument about the actions/nonactions of God on the belief (they must believe in order for their argument(s) to even be valid) that such things as have absolute moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. even exist in the 1st place that you/they yourself/themselves hold & believe in: which is apparent! cause' you/they make an argument that uses value, worth, purpose, meaning or morality! which you/they use against God but THEY BELIEVE IN ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM! WITHIN WHICH THERE IS NO absolute moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. ! in the 1st place) in other words, you/they believe in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM which means (& says) THERE IS NO value, worth, purpose, meaning or morality! BUT then you/they turn right around, & bring up an argument against God within which YOU/THEY USE value, worth, purpose, meaning or morality! in your/their own argument THAT CAN'T & DON'T EVEN EXIST IN ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM! you/they say that you/they believe in ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM but then turn right around & use the laws of God (absolute moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. !) in your/their argument(s) against HIM! you have to sit in God's lap to slap His face! it's they use things ( absolute moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. !) that you/they use in your/their argument(s) against God, THAT PROVES HE EXISTS!!!!! because you couldn't use absolute moral law, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. IN/FOR ANYTHING if they don't exist! every atheist is a contradicting, hypocritical liar. so, in order for ANY1 to use any arguments against God, 1st, they/you have to provide absolute, non-subjective, totally transcendent evidence/proof that you absolutely, non-subjectively, totally transcendently have value, meaning & purpose & a moral law. if you can't, you cant use it. & they don't exist. you/they have to validate their reasoning, cause' if you/they don't, the argument(s) completely, implode, shatter & die into oblivion for eternity.
REAL morality (personhood included) depends on freewill from the body
(the physical body being not just matter that exist in time & space, & the actions of said body NOT being completely determined by our chemical(s), compound(s), molecule(s), atom(s), mineral(s), neuron(s), genetic code(s), etc... that commands us)
which assumes TRANSCENDENCE from the body
which is / assumes the supernatural
(supernatural means BEYOND the natural. beyond the natural is BEYOND the physical. matter that exist in time & space)
which assumes A/THE self existent, infinite, supernatural, spiritual, all intelligent, personal, moral, all powerful, creator, person who has installed into our makeup THE moral law that is written on our hearts that lies within our soul.
also known as: God
THE WHOLE POINT OF ALL OF THIS IS...you can't use these truths of God (morality, meaning, value, purpose & worth) in a/the ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview which (absolute moral law/ morality, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, worth, meaning, purpose, etc.. ) CAN'T & DON'T exist ANYWAY WITHOUT A/THE absolute, non-subjective, totally transcendent BEING (God), your against the THE ALLMIGHTY, ALL POWERFUL, MEANINGFUL, PURPOSEFUL, VALUABLE, PERSONAL, MORAL, ALL LOVING...God.... that you believe doesn't even exist.... if HE DOES NOT exist....then these: morality, meaning, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic value, purpose & worth....don't EXIST either...nor....can they.
watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJmsK2s0uI
these 2:
http://www.vimeo.com/1904911
http://www.vimeo.com/6148456
& these 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_9Cb9e8Hrk&playnext_from=TL&videos=qqYtBxiqkZw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtAs37JMsCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNZHVdD0ocM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqbFxZ-3XA4
all of these convey THE TRUTH that atheism truly IS NOT & CAN NOT explain the world around us & ourselves. i believe in all the assumptions you've smuggled in: personhood, value, purpose, meaning, good & evil & the moral law, freewill, mind with logic, reason, rationale, imagination & absolute truth, BUT, 1 OF THE POINTS IS, THESE AREN'T REAL IN ATHEISM NOR CAN THEY BE, YET WE USE, ASSUME, & SMUGGLE THEM EVERDAY!!!!! EVEN YOU RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND!!!!!!!!!! THE DECLARATION SAID IS QUITE WELL:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
-- The Declaration of Idependence of The United States of America:
WICH IS WHY THIS PAGE, REALITY, EVERYONE IN HUMANITY, YOUR ARGUMENT, & EVEN YOU YOURSELF, IS, ARE & ALWAYS WILL BE EVIDENCE FOR God!
AMEN!
all of that that being said, everything in your argument, everything you have brought up, personhood, freewill, & intrinsic worth or value, meaning, purpose & morality, the mind with logic, reason, rationale, imagination & absolute truth, these don't & CAN'T exist in atheism/naturalism / materialism. if they do, & you know, PLEASE tell US how? you have basically said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER to US, other than the delusions, lies & myths(personhood, freewill, & intrinsic worth or value, meaning, purpose, mind with logic, reason, rationale, imagination & absolute truth & morality) that YOU YOURSELF brought up. your message is invalid & void. it makes no sense. YOU YOURSELF make no sense now & have been corrupted with deluded lies & myths. it's ironic actually, you criticize us theist's for believing in some1 whom YOU say, does not exist, & yet YOU YOURSELF/YOURSELVES BELIEVE IN & AFFIRM realities / absolutes that don't & CAN'T EXIST ON & IN YOUR OWN BELIEFS! ........have a nice day, you may & can leave now ^_^ (but you might wanna keep reading for your own sake) this is very serious stuff to remember & think about.
atheism = no morality, no personhood, no freewill, no intrinsic meaning, value, no purpose, no mind with logic, reason, rationale, imagination & absolute truth & lastly with the greatest despair, THERE IS NO HOPE.
SEE!? atheism & atheist's are not & can not be champions of truth, righteousness, justice, logic, reason, rationale & sanity. because their own belief rejects those & even the atheist itself. it is a self destructive, delusional self inflicted sinful high only used to keep the sin going. its alot like cocaine; gets you high & lasts for a while, but in the end, is a hollow lie with severe consequences at the end. those consequences being total death. no life. no warmth. NO LOVE....AT ALL....EVER......
God commisioned me to write this letter, for YOU & OTHERS like YOU that are still in DARKNESS & need THE LIGHT....
.....HE LOVES YOU.....
ALL OF THIS, ATHEISM & ITS RAMIFICATIONS, can be roughly condensed & put into poems (or whatever these are). their already made. here they are:
#1: Creed by Steve Turner:
who are we? what is our creed?:
We believe in Marx, freud and darwin, We believe everything is OK
as long as you don't hurt anyone, to the best of your definition of hurt,
and to the best of your definition of knowledge.
We believe in sex before, during, and after marriage.
We believe in the therapy of sin., We believe that adultery is fun.
We believe that sodomy’s OK., We believe that taboos are taboo.
We believe that everything's getting better, despite evidence to the contrary.
The evidence must be investigated, And you can prove anything with evidence.
We believe there's something in horoscopes, UFO's and bent spoons;
Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Mohammed, and ourselves.
He was a good moral teacher though we think, His good morals were actually really bad.
We believe that all religions are basically the same-at least the one's that we read were.
They all believe in love and goodness., They only differ on matters of creation,
sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.
We believe that after death comes the Nothing, Because when you ask the dead what happens
they say nothing., If death is not the end, if the dead have lied, then its
compulsory heaven for all excepting perhaps Hitler, Stalin, and Genghis Kahn
We believe in Masters and Johnson
What's selected is average. What's average is normal. What's normal is good.
We believe in total disarmament.
We believe there are direct links between warfare and bloodshed.
Americans should beat their guns into tractors, And the Russians would be sure to follow.
We believe that man is essentially good, It's only his behavior that lets him down.
This is the fault of society. Society is the fault of conditions. Conditions are the fault of society.
We believe that each man must find the truth that is right for him.
Reality will adapt accordingly, The universe will readjust, History will alter.
We believe that there is no absolute truth except for the truth that there is no absolute truth.
We believe in the rejection of creeds, And the flowering of individual thought.
If chance be the Father of all flesh, disaster is his rainbow in the sky
and when you hear State of Emergency! Sniper Kills Ten! Troops on Rampage!
Whites go Looting! Bomb Blasts School! It's just the sound of man worshipping his maker...
#2: G.K. Chesterton
the new rebel who is rebelling against all authority is a Sceptic, and will not entirely trust anything.
He has no loyalty; therefore he can never really be a true revolutionist.
And the fact that he doubts everything really gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything. For all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind; and the modern revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces, but the doctrine by which he denounces it.
So he writes one book complaining that imperial oppression insults the purity of women, and then he writes another book, a novel, in which he insults it himself.
He curses the Sultan because Christian girls lose their virginity, and then curses Mrs. Grundy because they keep it.
As a politician, he cries out that war is a waste of life, and then, as a philosopher, that all of life itself is a waste of time.
A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant, and then prove by the highest philosophical principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself.
A man denounces marriage as a lie, and then denounces aristocratic profligates for treating it as a lie.
He calls a flag a bauble, and then blames the oppressors of Poland or Ireland because they take away that bauble.
The man of this school goes first to a political meeting, where he complains that savages are treated as if they were beasts; then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes on to a scientific meeting, where he proves that they practically are beasts.
In short, the modern revolutionist, being an infinite sceptic, is always engaged in undermining his own mines. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling on morality; in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men.
Therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt.’
By rebelling against everything he has lost his right to rebel against anything…
#3 poem which is actually lyrics from a song by Ed Ames called "who will answer?"
From the Canyons of the Mind
We wander on, and stumble blindly
Through the often tangled Maze
Of Starless Nights and Sunless Days
While asking for some kind of Clue
A Road to lead us to the Truth -
But... Who will Answer?
Side by side two People stand
Together vowing hand-in-hand
That Love's imbedded in their Hearts
But soon, an empty Feeling starts
To overwhelm their hollow Lives
And when they seek the Hows and Whys -
Who will Answer?
On a strange and distant Hill
A young man`s lying very still
His Arms will never hold his Child
Because a Bullet running wild
Has struck him down, and now we cry:
`Dear God, oh why, oh why` -
Who will Answer?
High upon a lonely Ledge
A Figure teeters near the Edge
As jeering Crowds collect below
To egg him on with `Go, man Go`
But who will ask what led him
To his private Day of Doom -
And... Who will Answer?
If the Soul is Darkened
By a Fear it cannot name
If the Mind is Baffled
When the Rules don`t fit the Game
Who will Answer?, Who will Answer?, Who will Answer?
In the Rooms with darkened Shades
A Scent of Sandalwood pervades
The colored Thoughts in muddled Heads
Reclining on the unmade Beds
Of unmade Dreams that can`t come true
When we ask what we should do -
Who will Answer?
Neath the spreading Mushroom Tree
The World revolves in Apathy
As overhead a Row of Specks
Roars on, drowned out by Discotheques
And if a Secret Button`s pressed
Because one Man has been outguessed -
Who will Answer?
Is our Hope in Walnut Shells
Worn round the Neck; in Temple Bells
Or deep within some Cloistered Walls
Where hooded Figures pray and halt
In crumbled Books on dusty Shelves
Or in our Stars, or in Ourselves? -
Who will Answer?
If the Soul is Darkened
By a Fear it cannot name
If the Mind is Baffled
When the Rules don`t fit the Game
Who will Answer?, Who will Answer?, Who will Answer?
Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia (<--- Jesus Christ)
#4 ending poem by: Ravi Zacharias:
"that's why the rock musician says:
knowledge is a deadly friend, when no 1 sets the rules
the fate of all mankind i see is in the hands of fools
confusion will be my epitaph, as i crawl a cracked & broken path
if we make it, we can all sit back & laugh, but I'm afraid tomorrow, i'll be crying
ending statement by Ravi Zacharias from his video; Need God? (its on youtube):
Ravi: A new york times journalist phoned about 4 weeks ago & he asked me what i thought of this economic crisis but ravi asked the journalist i'd like it if you'd answer a question for me....At all of our ivy league schools for the last 2 decades, we,ve been teaching all of our young business scholars that ethics are all relative... that there are no absolutes...Now when they go & live relativistic life styles,we want to put'em behind bars!?..."THE VERY ETHIC WE TAUGHT THEM, THEIR LIVING OUT!? NOW WE WONDER, WHAT'S GONE WRONG!?.....silence....
your just playing with words MR. ATHEIST/NATURALIST/MATERIALIST/IT...... when you get to the top (of the atheistic natrualistic materialistic life & worldview) THERES NOTHING THERE! achieve everything this world has to offer. sex, drugs, money, power..... in atheism, its all going back into the box in the end which is nothingness. you die, that's it. why even try to achieve? there's nothing at the bottom & the top of the atheistic natrualistic materialistic life & worldview. all means nothing, including "it's" (people being the "it's") damned if you do, damned if you don't. but in THEISM, there IS all of these things; LOVE, RIGHTEOUSNESS, TRUTH, INTEGRITY, morality, value, meaning, purpose, personhood, freewill, reason, logic, the mind, heart, soul, spirit, the supernatural & the God of all creation that is behind them all. God offers you Love, Hope, Righteousness, Justice, Peace, a Home & His Loving arms to go into & His wings to go under. there is, for you, a literal hell....to pay, IF...you continue as you are doing.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."-John 3:16
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."-John 3:17
"For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations." -Psalm 100:5
Jeremiah 29:11- For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Jerimiah 9:24 - But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I [am] the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these [things] I delight, saith the LORD.
"But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." -1 Peter 1:25
Jerimiah 6:16
Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein].
Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
you believe in atheism & its ramifications & consequences.....& then you think (or even dare) you have a problem with God? but actually not even that is true. when anyone brings up any argument against God (especially a moral 1) , they hate nothing. God does not exist, you hate NO ONE, LET ALONE NO THING! &, in your belief, if any thing (would say any one but that would be a fallacy in YOUR belief, wudnt it?) is to be hated, it is dna, chemicals & physics. isnt it? who is there to blame? in YOUR BELIEF, God doesn't exist, so HE couldn't do anything "wrong", how cud you ("it(s)") hate WHO is not there? the answer: you cant. (altho, technically, not even that. there is no hate, only dna, chemicals & physics).
afterall, if God doesn't exist,
then every religion & supernatural belief is a lie & figment of man,
& man is the product of dna,
& dna is the product of chemicals,
& chemicals is the product of physics,
& physics is the product of................???.
therefore, Dont hate God, hate chemicals/dna/physics. & in YOUR BELIEF, hate the thing that spawned man/chemicals/dna/physics:
atheism, naturalism & materialism.....
DID NOT ITS (dna, chemicals & physics) write The Holy Bible, the koran & every other written or non written belief? ALL BECAUSE we're simply machines of matter constructed by a dna molecular structure in space & time made by & obeying physics? so "who" (to be true to your belief, its actually a what. "who's" don't exist) put all that stuff IN THOSE BELIEFS? dna, chemicals & physics DID! what ("who") cares in the end? be objective mr. atheist/naturalist/materialist/it. the term "YOU" "ME" "WE" "US" ETC, cant be true. but even then, its not like you believe you are A YOU that has any morals, mind, freewill to make any choices or logic, reason, truth or rationale in the 1st place. including hate.........
...............right?.......................
you can't steal from God in order to debunk God. because then YOU ARE JUST PROVING, THAT God, DOES TRULY & INDEED....EXIST.
WHY YOU DENY God, YOU ASSERT God, & WHEN ASSERT HIM THOU PROVEST HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT! IS A WAY TO PROVE, GOD EXISTS....
which leads me to ask you this. WHY have YOU used & or applied ABSOLUTES/OBJECTIVES/REALITIES (worth or value, meaning, purpose & morality) that are nothing but illusions & lies IN YOUR ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/ worldview, THAT YOU YOURSELF brought up of your own freewill & or conscience mind, with no help & or inclination from Us, in your own personal argument.....that doesn't even exist?.....
how could you do that?
WHY did you do that?
your argument has backfired on you. allowing US both, you & me, to see now, what a self-contradicting, lying-to-yourself-hypocritical liar that you are, especially your belief. which you probably didn't know, which is ok, but if YOU DID KNOW, isn't that morally wrong? THAT IS CALLED DECEIT. who is the sinner here? (you've gravely sinned against your own beliefs - an ironic joke since IN YOUR ATHEISTIC/ NATURALISTIC / MATERIALISTIC world/worldview all is fair & unfair, good & evil, at the same exact time due to physics, dna & subjective opinion(s) (wich is still physics & dna). either there is an absolute moral law...or their isn't ANY LAW AT ALL.)
you remind me of these verses:
John 8:6-8
6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
you have helped prove God's point in the greatest sense what you & i already know know in our heart & soul!:
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."-Genesis 1:1
Romans 2:
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 14:11
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:11 Isn't a matter of IF.........only WHEN.
you yourself, with your own mouth, by bringing up what your own beliefs (ATHEISM/NATURALISM/MATERIALISM) dictates to be a myth, illusion, fiction & a lie, have proved God exists! ya know......it's almost like you just already know, instinctively in your heart & soul that you are a "you", that you have absolute freewill, personhood, meaning, value, worth & purpose, & there really is such a thing as good & evil & morality....isn't it?.....
please don't deny anymore what God HIMSELF has written on our hearts & HAS SHOWN TO US, both you, me & all people.
We're not your enemy, We're your friends. God/JESUS is your friend #1 friend. & i am your friend 2.
materials for the Validity, Truth & Righteousness of God's existence:
http://howtogetsaved.yolasite.com/
http://howtogetsaved.yolasite.com/some-more-details--temporary-.php
http://howtogetsaved.yolasite.com/some-if-not-most-atheists-have-proved-God-exists.php
http://www.youtube.com/user/howtogetsaved
http://www.behindthebadge.net/apologetics/index.html#1
http://www.gotquestions.org/archive.html
http://www.apologeticspress.org/
http://www.bethinking.org/
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/
http://www.apologetics.com/
http://carm.org/
http://www.rzim.org/
they should answer most of your ?'s.
now on some of these sites they make references to verses in THE HOLY BIBLE (NIV). the NIV is a false version of THE HOLY BIBLE, so please use the KJV version of the verses instead. there is a option for this on the right side, kinda in the middle of the gotquestions.org page, is a drop down menu to display the verses in KJV. select KJV. here is a link to look up the whole Holy Bible. again, please choose KJV:
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible/
"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." Psalm 51:5
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"-Romans 3:23
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" - Romans 3:10
"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."-John 8:34
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."-Romans 6:23
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."-Romans 5:8
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" -Ephesians 1:7
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: " -Colossians 1:14
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:" -Romans 3:24
"That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." -Romans 5:21
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."-Luke 13:3
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord."-Acts 3:19
"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." -Mark 1:15
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."-Romans10:9
"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." -Romans 10:10
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."-Romans 10:13
1 John 1:9- If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,"-"Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him." -1 Thessalonians 5:9-10
Mark 10:45 - For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." -John 20:31
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -John 3:3
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" -2 Corinthians 13:5
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." -John 3:36
"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."-Psalm 9:17
"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"-Matthew 23:33
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."-Matthew 10:28
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."-Revelation 21:8
"And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." -Matthew 13:42
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" - "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." -Matthew 7:13-14
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." - Revelation 20:11
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." - Revelation 20:12
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." - Revelation 20:13
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." - Revelation 20:14
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." - Revelation 20:15
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,"- Galatians 5:19
"Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,"- Galatians 5:20
"Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."- Galatians 5:21
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,"- Galatians 5:22
"Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."- Galatians 5:23
Matthew 12:30 - He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."- Galatians 5:24
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. " - John 14:6
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
-- The Declaration of Idependence of The United States of America:
"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." -Romans 1:19
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" -Romans 1:20
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." -Romans 1:21
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," -Romans 1:22
"And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." -Romans 1:23
"Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." -Romans 1:25
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" -Romans 1:28
"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." -Romans 2:1
"But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things." -Romans 2:2
"And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?" -Romans 2:3
"Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?" -Romans 2:4
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;" -Romans 2:5
"Who will render to every man according to his deeds:" -Romans 2:6
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" -Romans 2:14
"Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)" -Romans 2:15
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. " -Romans 2:16
Romans 14:11
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
& MOST OF ALL, to get you to think about your belief & God far more carefully
Jerimiah 9:24 - But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I [am] the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these [things] I delight, saith the LORD.
& RECONSIDER, before you turn down or reject His SON, Jesus Christ's offer of Eternal Salvation from the chains of this epitome of evil & lies that is atheism that imprisons & damns you to hell for ETERNITY! THAT IS WHO THIS MESSAGE IS FOR. IN THE NAME OF God ALLMIGHTY & HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON; JESUS CHRIST: BE SAVED.
God loves you:
John 3:
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Jerimiah 29:
11For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Genesis 6:
12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die.
"I believe in God as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."
-- C. S. Lewis
read & watch it all please.
Jesus loves you
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